It's almost certainly damaged. The purpose of the two-stroke oil is as follows: Show Lubrication: It needs this to provide a layer of oil between the cylinder walls and the piston rings, otherwise it's metal-on-metal, causing high amounts of friction. Cleaning: Any filings from the piston rings will need to be cleared away by the oil as the piston comes to TDC from the cylinder walls, otherwise it's going to create a lot of scores in the cylinder wall. Sealing: It actually acts as a liquid-type seal between the piston rings and cylinder. Not that it could hold back the explosive force of the air-fuel mixture being ignited, but it's purpose is still there. That's why two-stroke oil is somewhat thicker than it used to be. Cooling: Well, it's in an engine. It's kinda vital to keep something working with EXPLOSIONS to a certain level of COOL. If not, it'll overheat. Without lubrication, it'll cause high friction, causing heat and causing metal filings from the piston rings knocking around, and losing a seal. In a way, oil counteracts all of these. If it'll still turn over, flush the fuel, and put in the correct mixture of petrol and oil. If it runs, it means you've got a chance of it working still. If not, you've gone and stuffed the engine. Big time. Really badly. Go do what Ecnerwal said about looking in the mirror! ;)
jacWell-known memberOwning an outboard that requires a 50:1 mix I was carefully mixing the oil in in advance of needing it at the weekend. Like an idiot I mixed at 25:1. Fortunately the ob is full of 50:1 - it's just the 5l petrol can that is wrong. I only have 1 petrol can here, full to the brim. And I filled the car up
at the same time to the brim so can't dispose of a couple of litres there. The only option I can think of is to go and buy another petrol can, share the 25:1 equally between the two and then refill the two cans with fresh petrol to dilute to 50:1 However, I don't use much petrol, a single 5 litre spare can is all I really need so if I do this I'm then left with a can I don't really need. Alternative is to burn 2.5 litres in the car, top up from the two stroke and them refill
but not sure that I'd be able to accurately dispose of 1/2 the premixed and not too keen on getting rid of old 2 strike in the car unless I have to. Anyone got any bright ideas???
Just use it at 25:1 may smoke a bit but won't hurt. I forgot to add some oil last year on a refill so next I ran it on 25:1 for half a tank just to get the bearings well oiled up again.
VicSWell-known memberJoined13 Jul 2002Messages47,289 Owning an outboard that requires a
50:1 mix I was carefully mixing the oil in in advance of needing it at the weekend. Like an idiot I mixed at 25:1. Fortunately the ob is full of 50:1 - it's just the 5l petrol can that is wrong. I only have 1 petrol can here, full to the brim. And I filled the car up at the same time to the brim so can't dispose of a couple of litres there. The only option I can think of is to go and buy another petrol can, share the 25:1 equally between the two and then refill the two cans
with fresh petrol to dilute to 50:1 However, I don't use much petrol, a single 5 litre spare can is all I really need so if I do this I'm then left with a can I don't really need. Alternative is to burn 2.5 litres in the car, top up from the two stroke and them refill but not sure that I'd be able to accurately dispose of 1/2 the premixed and not too keen on getting rid of old 2 strike in the car unless I have to. Anyone got any bright ideas??? Give
it so someone with a Seagull that runs on 25 :1 Lawnmower or other garden machinery. Wife's car Dont worry about using exactly half and topping up. Aim to use a bit less than half so that your resulting mix is a bit more oily than 50:1, rather than less oily. Just use it any way as it is . Your outboard would have used 25:1 during the break-in period
The OB will run fine on it. Just enjoy the angst of knowing you are polluting the environment a little more than usual.
Sounds like the kind of question I got in Maths A Level, ( 36 years ago! ).
Is it me? Give half the fuel to a Seagull owner and top up the tank with petrol.
Running a gallon of slightly over oiled fuel through it will do pretty much no harm at all if it's modern oil designed for outboards; it might smoke a bit more and possibly struggle to idle if the plug is elderly, but more than that is unlikely. I'm slightly alarmed at the folk who would feed it to modern cars with catalytic converters; the oil could well shorten the converter's
working life. Grotty old pre-catalyst bangers perhaps, but not anything newer. Last edited: 13 Jun 2014
VicSWell-known memberJoined13 Jul 2002Messages47,289 . I'm slightly alarmed at the
folk who would feed it to modern cars with catalytic converters; the oil could well shorten the converter's working life. The possible effects , if any, of burning a small quantity of 2stroke outboard engine oil in a vehicle fitted with a "cat" has been raised before. Its ashless so difficult to see that there will be anything to contaminate a cat but you presumably know something about this. What does a TCW3 oil contain that will damage a cat. How much would be
needed to cause any damage. . Last edited: 13 Jun 2014
The amount would likely cause little or no damage, I was trying(and failing now I reread my post) to get across that the car is more likely to be harmed by the fuel than the O/B.
VicSWell-known memberJoined13 Jul 2002Messages47,289 The amount would likely cause
little or no damage, I was trying(and failing now I reread my post) to get across that the car is more likely to be harmed by the fuel than the O/B. Yes i understand that but what is there in a tcw3 oil that would harm the car. I suspect it contains nothing that will contaminate a catalytic converter.
I've been disposing of the odd gallon or two of old two stroke mix in the car at the end of every season. Car's done 130K now, still on the original cat, and well in limits at last months MOT. My Mercury seems pretty tollerant on strict oild / fuel ratio too - l'd say just try it
Yes i understand that but what is there in a tcw3 oil that would harm the car. I suspect it contains nothing that will contaminate a catalytic converter. Don't know but I understand from my local garage that they have to be very careful about any gasket goo etc used upstream from a cat. as old traditional materials could poison it
so it sounds as if they're sensitive. Also the wholesale adoption of fuel injection with lamda sensors etc. in the early 90's was to permit the use of cats. - carbs. couldn't deliver a sufficiently accurate mixture.
VicSWell-known memberJoined13 Jul 2002Messages47,289
Joined22 Jul 2006Messages5,742 Just use it any way as it is . Your outboard would have used 25:1 during the break-in period +1
... this has the very distinct advantage that it does not go 'off'. I use Briggs & Stratton Fuel Fit Additive/Stabiliser even with 2T fuel: http://amzn.to/1jpCxR5 In addition, the empty measuring bottles are handy for dispensing diesel bug
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Joined3 Jun 2001Messages22,219Location
Cumbria It won't bother the cat on a car! Mrs Avocet's last car (which had a cat) used to drink engine oil. FAR more than we're talking about here! Even the handbook said that up to 1000km per LITRE of engine oil was not excessive. Cat (and
lambda sensors) were still fine when we sold it at 80=odd thousand miles.
Joined16 May 2007Messages42,084 Running a gallon of slightly over oiled fuel through it will do pretty much no harm at all if it's modern oil designed for outboards; it might smoke a bit more and possibly struggle to idle if the plug is elderly, but more than that is unlikely. I'm slightly alarmed at the folk who would feed it to modern cars with catalytic converters; the oil could well shorten the converter's working life. Grotty old
pre-catalyst bangers perhaps, but not anything newer. 5 litres of 25:1 is 200ml of oil. What happens if I mix too much oil in my 2 stroke?It's important to get your fuel-to-oil ratios right when mixing two-stroke fuel. Too much oil, and your engine may struggle to start or run, generate carbon buildup on engine internals, blow clouds of smoke and perform poorly in general.
What happens if you dont mix 2 stroke?If you run straight petrol with no lubrication oil in a 2-stroke engine, the engine will seize. Engine lubricants coat metal parts and prevent them from sticking or galling each other.
What happens if you put straight petrol in a 2 stroke?Without lubrication, it'll cause high friction, causing heat and causing metal filings from the piston rings knocking around, and losing a seal. In a way, oil counteracts all of these. If it'll still turn over, flush the fuel, and put in the correct mixture of petrol and oil.
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